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How I do relate to the data of
producers? With BO -ol6wim by skepticism. How was measured maksimalku
on the vase? Glued up all slots by Scotch tape, removed mirrors
yard-keepers. 4 in all it several times saw the independent tests, on
which "certified" speed or dynamics were achieved or exceeded. All the
remaining cases - the insolent lie of producers and nothing are more.
Or, let us name this so, "specific" test conditions - speaking in
general terms, it is possible one time to drive away in the machine
maximally rapidly, without using cohesion during the switchings - and
to improve dynamics for second, box, true, can this not survive - then
necessary number will be achieved. It is it's a pity, not it will be
the drivers, who can repeat this result in the real life. Sometimes in
the passport it is written - maksimalka 250 is limited by electronics,
on the test the machine from the salon of it collect cannot, 247 and
everything here, as if you crack. It is possible, of course, to say
that the defect of concrete machine, while it is possible also to
think. But why cynically will lie speedometers in many sport machines?
Adding kilometers 15-20 to the real speed? But why the same "Khyunday"
in THE USA they did fine for the fact that in the passport to the
machines was indicated the power of engine, which with the examination
could not be obtained? Mazda quickly thus repaired numbers in the
prospectuses on its Rx-8 forces to 10 after this... You as if
yesterday were borne. Each producer tries to embellish his goods,
especially because the numbers of acceleration cannot be protested in
the law court - to you they will give that the fact that your
procedure does not correspond to plant, and that the craftsmanship of
your tester is worse than the plant, and that gasoline in you of poor
and weather is incorrect. You although read a little foreign tests -
almost always, with thinnest exception, dynamics and most frequently
maksimalka is less than obeshchannykh. Difference small - there much
not you navresh' on the "automata", they write most frequently
complete I will get along on the manual boxes. Ridiculous you are man,
Boss. Cannot discussion support without the cheap visits? How there
Bulgakov had? "I you to me, man with university education tell about
that as everything to subdivide?" In me 3 diplomas about higher
education, so that you into the point burn - the many-sided talent:)
To advertisement on the box you do also believe? Well so this your
right - to believe or not to believe to that noodles, which to you
hang to the ears the producers. Although someone of them its procedure
of measurements did give so that it we could reproduce that desiring?
But the something not in whom is obtained their numbers to obtain,
except them themselves. What "auto-sport" - this the same publication,
that known to entire progressive humanity publication "avtorevyu",
from our, imkho - most authoritative. Bezappelyatsionnost' of
statements to me to also assign is not necessary - in me everywhere
the reference to "my modest opinion" is present. Your observation
about the automata also into the milk - is simple the numbers,
opub?.ikovannye in "those" authoritative for me personally
publications themselves, in particular, into "avtorevyu" and
"auto-sport", they disperse from the data of producer considerably
less for the automatic boxes, than number with the data on the manual
boxes. It is possible, of course, to utvezhdat' that the testers To
"avtorevyu" - as to the selection autos-athlete - manual box to use do
not know how, but, I think, in earnest this it is possible not to
assume. To obtain data of producer is possible: in the dynamics, if we
drive with +10 on the racing slick, to empty machine and being
switched by impact method. On maksimalke - on the narrower, than
regular, wheels, for example, or with the contrivances of the type of
those that 4 already it described - without the mirrors, the
yard-keepers and the like of the coming out details. Sometimes, if
western journalists do not obtain the obeshchannuyu maximum speed,
producer begins to be explained and they are revealed such, for
example, facts - that the maximum speed, indicated for certain machine
can be achieved only during the application of the aerodynamic
underweight, which can be purchased for the additional money... in
this case in the prospectus about this, yessno, words. The producers
what much interesting say. You will recall, as Mercedes A it did
overturn on perestavke - that there did answer the producer? It at
first accused of everything of journalists, then - the producer of
tires, then recognized that itself was guilty and recalled all
machine. Respected VLP, after the reading of your treatise not smog
will be held from the answer. Unconditionally we all and you including
live in the world of illusions and devised to ourselves things. Here
you for example believe to periodical To avtorevyu, also, in 3
diplomas, Boss is pig it believes in sub-ARU. And glory god. Most
important, that each of you rights. Although To avtorevyu
unambiguously one-sided periodical, and truth there not to 100%. (do
not forget this also commercial product), but sub-ARU also breaks and
radiators here explode and where that departs oil, but on top of that
brakes peregrevayutsya. But precisely faith helps to read periodical
Avtorevyu to examine diplomas about higher education and to drive on
sub-ARU and to obtain from this the ofegennoye pleasure. But 4 here
narrower than zadolbalsya to await when me zambiruyut the salesmen of
subar and the further I sit on this site, the more I understand, that
sub-ARU I surely fell in love because, only love can push slightly man
to the purchase of machine which it has as many obvious deficiencies.
4 here for example to neponimayu why to the Germans on the
turbirovannye machines do not place turbotaymery and do not pour 98
gasoline. Also I do not understand why it cannot be in this machine
gone more than 200 not more than 10 minutes (they speak to be heated
it begins, and so that the spore not it would be, this a question
simply theoretical) and so on. But in spite of all this 4 even on the
previous together with you and to the answers and raskazam about the
glorious sub-ares it is ready. But the reliability of Japanese auto-
on all interrogations leads very long ago (I it met the interrogations
of users - in the different countries, purely subjective: as
frequently they break, they rust, which precisely broke and by the
like; it met the interrogations of the firm- evacuators, xwho, of
course, have clear statistics on the breakdowns, because of which they
machine evacuated). Still year entire back almost first of tens of
machines on the European interrogations (in the states of more than
patriots) were occupied with the Japanese, but with the same Mercedes
and BMV situation was much better than now - dispatch immediately
after the Japanese, and Moers even left in Germany in the 1st place on
the reliability among the machines of older than 9, that whether,
years - in that interrogation the gradation was over the years. Now I
met with the opinion that the reliability of Germans fell because the
machines are as can be stuffed by electronics, which, strictly and
sboit (although in the Japanese of electronics not less - in the same
"Toyote"). In what the reason of this reliability of the "Japanese",
in general, it is understandable - it is even in the middle of the
80th annual percentages approximately 80 from all established in the
world industrial robots it stood in Japan. At the same time Japan
passed states on productivity of labor in the industry (here in the
sphere of services they very strongly they lag). The best technologies
of assembling, what here to speak, and in the assembly-line
productions in other countries they the principle of maximum
robotization do not reject - and these are stability and reliability.
4 also worshippers of Japanese reliability, I hope, even the so forced
machine, as turbo-suba me it will not upset in this plan. By the way,
from the Germans very reliable on these interrogations is Porsh -
which is strange, at any age (4 gradation of up to 11 years it met).
My good familiar (on Audi S6 it drives, it was going to R to change)
here recently gave a ride on turbo-porshe all-wheel-drive on MKAD - so
much the peep of contented it was! 4 even it thought - always it
seemed that already more rapid than Suby to me nothing will be wanted,
but here new interest appeared:). ops, is agreeable, to whom to
believe - this the fact that the philosophers call moral selection,
one selects one, another - another, even leading into the
substantiation the same facts, they simply are evaluated differently.
It seems me, my position is substantiated by the fact that any blind
faith i do not have - neither producers nor to concrete
autos-publication (or experts), examining the different points of view
I draw its conclusions. In my system of estimations the independent
experts have larger weight, this so - but this relationship by no
means 0/100, but somewhere 30/70 or 20/80. It is preconceived?
Certainly. Fellows it is pig and the boss of other thus far reasons
furthermore, that the journalists nothing to measure know how (that -
everything that whether, including European?), and generally they,
possibly, are purchased - they did not bring. I consider that this is
sufficiently extreme position, it is too close to the faith to
producer, insufficiently weighed, in my view but all people different,
the points of view do not coincide, this is normal and this does not
prevent me with respect from relate for other positions (thus far on
the personality we are not rolled up in the fuse of dispute,
certainly). Boss, well in order on the second time not to repeat - he
wrote 4 already about the "moral selection" - we look at one and the
same, but we see different. 4 all basic reasons its it already
presented, it does not be desirable to go deeply into trifle. It is
not must the maximalism of excess - what shady transaction of
autos-oligarch? Thus, small advertising trick, is not more. The system
of quality control 4 I very well visualize both by the force of
formation and by the force of work experience - and American, and
Japanese I can here to the page paint the difference between them, if
you want, with the history of appearance and development. How with
entire control "Mercedes A" did overturn? Producer directly said is
not in us in test program of this test - "losinaya perestavka" (but
already in those parameters of the quality of auto-production, which
state it konroliruyet - and as of old there is anything similar, there
ecology and the pair of tests to the safety). Then yr -one-and-a-half
later the majority of producers this most scandalous "losinuyu
perestavku" introduced for the tests of the same extra-roads builder
and minivenov. The same also in the dynamics - there is no united
procedure (for example, the united procedure of the measurement of the
fuel consumption - for the machines, sold in Europe, it appeared also
a total of several years ago, thus far all gave its numbers, what
caused the heap of questions concerning the same "urban" expenditure
of tovpliva - very, as it seemed, to the not easily attainable
parameter). Each producer measures somehow employing his own
procedure. And to verify this is unreal. Well as it is possible to
track tenths if two racers of identical class with the different speed
are in one and the same machine be accelerated - transfers with the
different speed switch! Several the tenths it is possible only due to
this to obtain. But even weather conditions, height above sea level,
the asphalt coating of ranges is different. Yes rubber it is possible
to place not that which in the assembly will go to warm up it
preliminarily. And gasoline, type, different. It is possible to be
accelerated, being switched by impact method - specialists, I it is
confident, ten additional two as the minimum of the source of
divergences they will find. Therefore the difference per second with
any small in the "independent" testers in comparison with the plant
result law court as the reason for the punishment not will be taken,
although - renounce not we will be, in the country of the attorneys OF
THE USA someone yes will condemn one of the producers in the
forseeable future, 4 so I think. Although to the attorneys of
producers there is that to say - see above. On the whole - you do
entrust to producer and his advertising statements? And god with you,
entrust. For sure not less than 90% these statements correspond to
reality with the present system of quality control not in us:) I
wanted to note, why for these advertising statements by places it is
worthwhile blindly not to entrust, but let us say so, to relate with
the healthy skepticism. It did not convince? Well and god with it, I
do not see sense to develop this discussion. That having ears - yes
will hear... yes he will see, yes it will feel by hands, if it wants:)
One of its machines I personally conveyed also on the power stand, and
in Dmitrov to the range it chased to the measurements - it felt by
hands, so to say:) The numbers of dynamics with the plant do not
refer, moreover not one - although plant itself in official relizakh
gave their azh four - different! To the most pessimistic plant result
our number lost 0,9 s, while to the most optimistic - 2,4. I.e. I
assume that in principle, with the almost improbable confluence of
circumstances, it is possible to leave to the result, obeshchannyy by
plant. But to the real life will more than relation have our number.
When the same command, which made the measurement of my machine,
measures others - 4 "entrust to professionals", since it saw by its
eyes, as people they work. You do not believe. But you believe to
people, which make measurements on GEE- pi -3su or with the stopwatch
on the kilometer posts (but that on the speedometer, which
deliberately will lie in each without the exceptions of producer) -
well, each itself selects, to what to believe. As plant measures
dynamics - 4 it did not see even I do not know, as it measure
specialists on the range, entering the structure WITH US (in,
authority for the ears pulled), I saw and I entrust so that it saw,
and so that in the advertisement is written, and this my right
(zakochil, type, with the enthusiasm in the voice). :) Of sorri, in me
this dispute already homeric laughter causes, childhood some, by God -
"and here it is here written...", it is written on the padding, what,
it- de absorbs more, also, on the tooth paste - that it cleans better
to 10%, and on the shampoo - that it to 40% better preserves the
properties of the painted hair. Oh already to me these producers with
their Scriptures. As they obtain their numbers - I will not apply
mind:) Well, they persuaded, give let us estimate at least
approximately, as machine measure in Japan plant specialists. Machine
is completely and thoroughly rolled and that and is sorted out after
the running-in (something to laugh - Rolls-Royce plant is rolled 3000
km, then completely it investigates, it defektuyet, it gathers and it
sends to buyer). Machine empty - there is neither rugs under the feet
nor radio tape recorder nor hatchway (but for all assemblies one
number it is brought), shorter, there is nothing, what in principle it
can not be it can be, there is no even backup with the jack (it has
the right of men without the backup to drive?). Down how much- that
there of kilograms. (I I weigh hundred), it does sit to the right
passenger 4 I do not know after the control - Japanese with an
increase in 160 cm, the weight of 48 kg - the Japanese in relize about
this keep silent (in the measurements ACE to the right it sits
European with the weight clearly of more than 48 kg), good, let in the
machine one additional calibrated Japanese sit. Liquids into the
machine are charged to the on- minimum (this already for sure). By
what is charged gasoline? What oil in the engine and the box? What do
stand disks and rubber? History hushes up, yes even god with it.
Height on by sea level - 5 it is meter (Japan - this is island).
Wheels razukutyvayut (everything, who looked the races of the f-th,
they saw how this occurs), rubber is thoroughly heated (if must -
tyuey progrevayut another vapor it is circular). The surface of
asphalt is horizontal (well not we will charge plant with the
notorious profanation). Does blow following breeze? Yes it always
there blows! Is done 10 (let us allow) rounds - into both sides, but
it includes better time - indeed it was actually obtained! About the
fact that the gearshifts are produced by impact method, without
vyzhima of cohesion, I think, generally to write is not necessary -
since this is plant, if is broken box - they will replace, and if it
is not broken, then then it will descend. Will obtain we the
difference in the dynamics with the Moscow conditions, takeing into
account moreover that no one tester to break box will allow? I think
that we will obtain compulsorily. Otherwise simple be it cannot. Did
lie plant? First, I do not know accurately - since about its procedure
of measurements it is known after the plant gates practically nothing.
In the second place, willingly I assume that it did not lie completely
- simply specially it prepared machine, even simply undertaken from
the conveyor will show worse time (at least because it is not rolled,
but when its owner will roll - is possible claims for owner to produce
on the "extreme operating conditions" because of which motor is
sensitive it reduced indices. From the light signals you do vomit
regularly? Here how. Yes even pylishcha here in your Moscow, and
gasoline, and...). It is shorter, if in the real life your machine for
second yields to plant number - count, this is normal. Measurement on
the range you this to someone - not convincingly) will convincingly
(but show.
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